tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post5247705998750879199..comments2024-03-27T14:26:25.469-07:00Comments on Saved by Grace: They Can’t Take That Away From MeLaurie Colletthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-60533907419381783002015-08-23T18:15:11.953-07:002015-08-23T18:15:11.953-07:00I agree with you, Sateigdra, that our liberty and ...I agree with you, Sateigdra, that our liberty and eternal security is no reason or excuse to sin. Far from it -- because of our gratitude for all Christ has done for us, we should want to serve and obey Him with all we have and all we are. <br /><br />I also agree with you that we must not take Scripture out of context, but always consider a particular verse in light of what the bulk of Scripture says on that topic. As our pastor says, the best commentary on the Word of God is the Word of God.<br /><br />We are saved by grace, but once we are saved, we experience God's grace daily in all the blessings He gives us. Every good and perfect gift comes from above, so even the unsaved receive that aspect of God's grace. Once we are truly saved, we can still fall out of grace and lose many blessings He would otherwise give us. But salvation -- eternal life given by God through our faith in His Son -- is not earned by good works, not earned by keeping the law, and is received only as a freely given gift by His grace through our faith. We did nothing to earn it and we can do nothing to lose it, for He keeps it by His perfect power.Laurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-86496108238245669262015-08-23T18:00:08.967-07:002015-08-23T18:00:08.967-07:00Dear Sateigdra,
Paul says, in Galatians 5:
1 Stan...Dear Sateigdra,<br />Paul says, in Galatians 5:<br /><br />1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.<br /><br />(Paul is referring to our Christian liberty, not to our salvation. God's grace gives us both. Once saved, if we choose to go back to legalism, we lose our liberty, but not our salvation.)<br /><br />2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.<br />(In other words, choose whether you're going to follow the law, i.e. be circumcised, or follow Christian liberty. If you choose the law, you cannot benefit from the liberty Christ won for you).<br /><br />3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.<br />(If you're going to try to please God by keeping the law, you have to do it perfectly, which no person can. The only way to please God is by faith -- Heb. 11:6).<br /><br />4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.<br />(Liberty is way better than legalism. If you start depending on legalism to please God, you lose the benefit of His grace, which is liberty. You still don't lose your salvation, and you can regain your liberty by recognizing that Christ is the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25) and that we trust in His righteousness alone, not in our self-righteousness).<br /><br />Here is an excerpt from one commentary on this: The issue of this verse is not eternal security but a contrast of grace and law as systems of relating to God. Grace and law are mutually exclusive; we cannot mix them. A Christian cannot lose his justification. Legalism does not draw us close to God but it drives a wedge between us and God. (http://versebyversecommentary.com/galatians/galatians-54/)<br /><br />I join with you in prayer that God will give all of us wisdom and discernment. Praise God that He has promised wisdom to all who ask Him for it (James 1:5).Laurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-7648862456153428272015-08-22T15:26:56.211-07:002015-08-22T15:26:56.211-07:00Just wanna add something else I've noticed gen...Just wanna add something else I've noticed generally each time I've seen this topic discussed or preached. Most person will basically say there is nothing you can do to lose your salvation (nothing), that being the main point, and that's it, it's just lefr open like that. No wonder this topic can lead to a lot of misunderstandings, topics like this can't just be left open like that because it leaves room for people to assume they can do whatever they want and still inherit the kingdom, since the person did say (nothing) u can do can cause youto lose your salvation. Paul realized the dangers of this so he never left topics like this open-ended. Like when he addressed our liberties in Christ, he did just make a point of saying we're free fro the law, then he dropped the mic and walked away, Paul would go on to always say, "however this freedom is not to be used as a cloak for vice". Paul new if you just say part of the message, even if that part is true, if you leave out the rest then it leaves mch room for confusion and misunderstanding. Paul would have many rhetorical questions in his letters he would ask because he knew that after what he just said there would be people wondering certain stuff and he couldn't leave it like that, so he would go on to answer the question he asked that he knew the people were wondering. Jesus on a few occasians did the same. After he made a statement, Jesus could perceive that people were wondering about what he said, he would go onto explain what he said without even asked to explain, some would think Jesus was reading their minds but He was wise enough to perceive and know that people may possibly misunderstand what He said. <br /><br />For example with this same topic. Since a person who has their salvation cannot lose it no matter what not by any unseen force or by their own actions, then if they stole or killed somebody or committed adultery or fornication, do they still have their salvation? If they repeatedly do this and not even confess and repent of it, do they still have their salvation? So since nothing can cause you to lose your salvation, can you now do whatever you want and live however you want since your salvation is secured? And if a person bears no fruit of the Spirit, that's nothing because their salvation is secured? This is why topics like this need to be explained thouroughly to avoid confusion and misunderstanding.<br /><br /> A person cannot simply say nothing you can do can cause you to lose your salvation, yet neglect all the scriptures that talk about the falling away of the end times, falling from grace if one returns to the law, and what Paul said about not using our new freedom in Christ as a cloak for vice. All of that must be explained to. Paul who taught about our liberties in Christ was careful not to neglect those other important points. This is why once saved always saved doctrine is a problem, it is an open ended doctrine of the Calvanists and whoever else. Important scriptures that explain that we don't just go buck wild because we are saved by grace through faith and are free from the law, are neglected. This is why I point people to Christ and the scriptures when they wonder about stuff like this, it's very easy to steer people wrong, even if it's unintentinal. We have to teach the whole counsel of God not just a part of it. There are people who teach grace and how we're saved by grace through faith (which is the truth) yet these persons stay clear of mentioning what is written about falling from grace and other pertinent scriptures that clear up confusion and answer questions, I don't know if this is done always intentionally or not, so I just observe and see if later this person goes on to explain rhe rest or they just leave it. Paul taught saved by grace through faith and Paul taught that it's possible to fall from that very same grace if one returns to the law. S. Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10252839278824306504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-48800505885318676502015-08-22T14:45:47.083-07:002015-08-22T14:45:47.083-07:00I really don't know what to say to be honest. ...I really don't know what to say to be honest. There are things like the possibility to fall from grace if a person returns to the law that I think should also be mentioned and explained when talking about things like this, because falling from gace is something that can happen if a person returns to the law they have been freed from. this is currently one of the biggest issues in the church today, people are returning to the law because of things their pastor taught them about tithing or be cursed and sabbath keeping etc. Many have fallen from grace and don't even know it. Why? Because they are told once saved always saved no matter what. But returning to the law is something that Paul said not only causes us to fall from grace, it also makes us estranged from Christ. <br /><br />I will read the other blog post, but this is something I'm going to pray about so God can help me to truly understand the questions I have.S. Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10252839278824306504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-32834903952089866242015-08-12T19:42:17.711-07:002015-08-12T19:42:17.711-07:00Thank you, Ariella, I am blessed by your encourage...Thank you, Ariella, I am blessed by your encouragement! May we keep studying His Word, praying and writing for Him until He comes again!<br />Love and hugs to you,<br />LaurieLaurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-8066490517283964742015-08-12T13:52:09.308-07:002015-08-12T13:52:09.308-07:00Thank you. It is such a blessing to study Gods Wor...Thank you. It is such a blessing to study Gods Word. Keep reading, keep praying! Keep writing! Big hug, your Dutch sister in Christ.Arithahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580084913655106441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-16201936070684649122015-08-12T09:28:20.257-07:002015-08-12T09:28:20.257-07:00Thanks so much, Karren, for hosting and for your l...Thanks so much, Karren, for hosting and for your lovely comment! May we all be transformed by yielding to the Holy Spirit!<br />Hope your week is blessed!<br />LaurieLaurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-85819722154487749362015-08-12T05:32:46.220-07:002015-08-12T05:32:46.220-07:00Great article and scriptures, I think we are all i...Great article and scriptures, I think we are all in transformation, "If we allow ourselves"<br />Thanks for sharing on the OMHGWW!!<br /><br />Have a beautiful week!<br />KarrenKarren Hallerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00570703894205150055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-7964534548399698912015-08-11T11:41:06.248-07:002015-08-11T11:41:06.248-07:00Amen, Donald! Praise God that He has quickened us ...Amen, Donald! Praise God that He has quickened us to new life, and that the Holy Spirit indwelling each believer cannot sin. May we die to self and yield to Him daily.<br />Thanks as always for your encouraging comment! God bless,<br />LaurieLaurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-80034527163918247452015-08-11T11:21:02.622-07:002015-08-11T11:21:02.622-07:00Great post, Laurie.
I John 3:2-10 Makes a powerf...Great post, Laurie. <br /><br />I John 3:2-10 Makes a powerful statement about us not being able to go back and live in the same old sins once we are saved, because as II Corinthians 5:17 says,"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Donald Fishgrabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11977970195032209188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-61720832101759725182015-08-10T08:42:19.629-07:002015-08-10T08:42:19.629-07:00Hi Brenda,
That is a lovely analogy, Brenda, that ...Hi Brenda,<br />That is a lovely analogy, Brenda, that we are like the chrysalis in our earthly body, as we die daily to self and let Him give us new life and reassemble us to be more like Him. Praise God for His indwelling Holy Spirit Who directs that process in each believer.<br />May God bless you too!<br />LaurieLaurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-56352089944992732462015-08-10T08:34:32.824-07:002015-08-10T08:34:32.824-07:00Thank you so much, Deborah! I blessed to hear you ...Thank you so much, Deborah! I blessed to hear you enjoyed the post!<br />God bless,<br />LaurieLaurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-54066899465943010422015-08-10T03:28:20.354-07:002015-08-10T03:28:20.354-07:00Hi Laurie,
Always the main thing for me has always...Hi Laurie,<br />Always the main thing for me has always been to have my mind renewed in Christ Jesus. I love the analysis of the butterfly. <br /><br />Just like the butterfly had to be changed from the caterpillar to the chrysalis, and then to the butterfly, there are changes that I have to go through, and that is why our Lord said that the Holy Spirit would be sent - to teach us and lead us into all truth.<br /><br />I feel as if being in the Lord is being in the chrysalis stage while in my physical body on earth while being taught by the Holy Spirit, and in the butterfly stage by being raised up with Christ in the Spirit.<br /><br />God bless you Laurie.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-53862383234890304542015-08-09T21:03:36.934-07:002015-08-09T21:03:36.934-07:00Love how you backed up all these facts with script...Love how you backed up all these facts with scripture Laurie and love the butterfly example.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16736416182544683890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-49970395903302339492015-08-09T14:43:05.469-07:002015-08-09T14:43:05.469-07:00Thanks so much, Frank, for your kind words and upl...Thanks so much, Frank, for your kind words and uplifting comment! Banking blood for auto-transfusion is still the safest way to receive a transfusion, in those cases where elective surgery is planned and there is time to do so. It used to be the case that you could also designate a transfusion to go to a blood relative, in which case there would be a greater likelihood of compatibility, but I think that is no longer the case.<br />May God bless you in the coming week,<br />Laurie Laurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-53176111622922110292015-08-09T14:10:28.264-07:002015-08-09T14:10:28.264-07:00Thank you, Frank, for making note of your blog pos...Thank you, Frank, for making note of your blog posts on eternal security, which are well-written and Bible-based. <br />God bless,<br />LaurieLaurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-61212763970827440922015-08-09T13:14:52.983-07:002015-08-09T13:14:52.983-07:00I'm so glad you enjoyed the post, Spirit of Si...I'm so glad you enjoyed the post, Spirit of Simplicity, and I enjoyed visiting your blog as well. I hope you'll come back next week and comment on the second installment. It is so true that what we put into our mind changes it forever, so may we have our minds renewed and transformed by Scripture and not conformed to this world.<br />Love in Christ,<br />LaurieLaurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-82795685664235187122015-08-09T12:00:48.579-07:002015-08-09T12:00:48.579-07:00Thank you, Mary, for your comment! Praise God that...Thank you, Mary, for your comment! Praise God that He keeps our salvation secure, for on our own, we would surely lose it.<br />May you have a blessed week in Him,<br />LaurieLaurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-58554611822697357592015-08-09T11:50:33.248-07:002015-08-09T11:50:33.248-07:00Thanks, Denise! God bless!Thanks, Denise! God bless!Laurie Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676088158113572565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-9457908936581183822015-08-09T08:20:55.106-07:002015-08-09T08:20:55.106-07:00Brilliant article, Laurie, absolutely brilliant!
A...Brilliant article, Laurie, absolutely brilliant!<br />About the blood donation though, I have given blood on a regular basis throughout much of my life. I had to stop, under orders, after my cardiac procedure. However, if during the operation I had to have a transfusion, my own donated blood would have been the most suitable.<br />Thanks for posting this, I'm looking forward for the next installment. God bless.Frank E. Blasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12218732913319387677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-45910142262332041282015-08-09T08:13:34.249-07:002015-08-09T08:13:34.249-07:00You can read my blogs, which also touches on Etern...You can read my blogs, which also touches on Eternal Security, of which, like Laurie, I too am an advocate.Frank E. Blasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12218732913319387677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-3261356531129621792015-08-09T06:38:21.358-07:002015-08-09T06:38:21.358-07:00I am interested in reading more of this. I have ma...I am interested in reading more of this. I have many thoughts on the subject and will return to read more. I like to interact with other people who think on such things. The same is true of education. Once you have learned something to be true you cannot unlearn it. You can never go back to being ignorant on a subject you have learned and understood. aspiritofsimplicityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14870339828098281415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-44733861040986433352015-08-09T05:54:08.976-07:002015-08-09T05:54:08.976-07:00I love the thought that if we had the power to wal...I love the thought that if we had the power to walk away from our salvation it would be greater than Gids power to keep us. Great statement. But you back it up with scripture, which is even more powerful. Thanks for sharing this. Mary Dolan Flahertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05739724561596823855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-38850284584409576212015-08-09T05:54:08.341-07:002015-08-09T05:54:08.341-07:00I love the thought that if we had the power to wal...I love the thought that if we had the power to walk away from our salvation it would be greater than Gids power to keep us. Great statement. But you back it up with scripture, which is even more powerful. Thanks for sharing this. Mary Dolan Flahertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05739724561596823855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8901842915517693862.post-69281483173669610862015-08-09T05:53:44.511-07:002015-08-09T05:53:44.511-07:00I love the thought that if we had the power to wal...I love the thought that if we had the power to walk away from our salvation it would be greater than Gids power to keep us. Great statement. But you back it up with scripture, which is even more powerful. Thanks for sharing this. Mary Dolan Flahertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05739724561596823855noreply@blogger.com